Brooklyn Nets have a 8-9 record without James Harden on the court, with Harden they are 26-7

布鲁克林篮网在没有哈登出场的比赛里战绩8胜9负，而哈登出战的比赛26胜7负。

Without Harden the Nets have more losses in 17 games than with Harden in 33 games.

In my opinion Harden is without a doubt the most important player for the Nets, even more important than KD. The difference when Harden is on the court is incredible.

篮网17场没有哈登的比赛输的比有哈登的33场比赛还多，在我看来，哈登毫无疑问是篮网最重要的球员，甚至比杜兰特还重要。篮网有没有哈登在场的区别，是难以置信的。

Harden is like the glue for this team, without him they’d be like papers flying all over the place

哈登在篮网的作用就像是胶水，没有他整支球队就像碎纸片一样乱飞。

[–]Raptorsnervousaboutschool17 21 指標 10小時前

they'd be clippers east. you need a playmaker to be real

猛龙球迷：没有哈登的篮网就是东部的快船，需要一个真正的组织者。

[–]Netskingdelz 18 指標 10小時前

Clippers east, this is funny?

篮网球迷：东部的快船，真好笑。

[–]CelticsWild-Apricot-9161 2 指標 3小時前

Best insult I've read in a while.

凯尔特人球迷：这是我近期看到的，最精彩的侮辱

Harden's playmaking makes him the best player on the nets and one of the 3 best players in the world!

猛龙球迷：哈登的组织进攻能力是他成为篮网最棒球员，以及联盟前三的原因。

[–]Lakers9D_Chess 130 指標 11小時前

If CP3 never goes down in 2017, there's a very good chance that the Rockets would have taken that series and Harden might have replaced KD as the #2 in the league for a lot of people IMO.

湖人球迷：在我看来，如果保罗2017年没受伤，那年的火箭有很大的机会拿下那轮系列赛，这样哈登在很多人心目中，就会取代杜兰特联盟第二的位置。

[–]SpursXadios468 65 指標 10小時前

That was 2018, 2017 was the Manu block series

马刺球迷：那是2018年，2017年是吉诺比利大帽哈登的系列赛。

[–]CelticsTatumBrownSmart 86 指標 12小時前

This is /r/nba where PPG and scoring is the only thing that matters.

You would think by now that more people would realize that playmaking is associated with winning.

凯尔特人球迷：在这个论坛得分能力和场均得分成了最重要的事，或许有越来越多的人意识到了组织进攻能力才是和赢球挂钩的。

[–][POR] Ed Davisfowaddaud 41 指標 11小時前

This is /r/nba where PPG and scoring is the only thing that matters.

I love how you're using this as a reason for why Harden doesn't get his credit, when he's a top 5 scorer of all time. If r/nba cared about only scoring, they would consider him the undisputed best player in the league.

开拓者球迷：我喜欢你用这个原因来解释哈登为什么得不到信任，不过他也是历史前五的得分手。如果这个论坛真的只关心得分，那哈登无可争议是联盟里最强的球员。

[–]CelticsTatumBrownSmart 50 指標 12小時前

Well that Harden is better than KD.

It's just frustrating how much playmaking and the ability to run an offense as a skill is overlooked, it's essential to winning.It's why the Lakers suck without LeBron, but can function without AD. It's why the Nets suck without Harden, but can function without KD. It's why the Jazz and Suns would suffer far more without Conley and CP3, than Mitchell and Booker etc.

凯尔特人球迷：我想说哈登比杜兰特强。让人沮丧的是，组织梳理进攻的能力都被忽略了，这是取胜的关键点。所以湖人没有勒布朗就很糟糕，没有戴维斯还能打打；篮网没有哈登就很糟糕，没有杜兰特还能打打；爵士和太阳没有康利和保罗的影响，比没有米切尔和布克更大等等。

[–]Sunspeanutdakidnappa 13 指標 11小時前*

It’s Debatable saying we’d suffer more without cp3 than book, book can be a good facilitator if needed and is the guy who draws literally all the double teams constantly making it way easier for cp3 and everyone else on the time. It’s definitely not a cut and dry thing to say we’d suffer more without cp3, this team was already on the way up without cp3 and would likely still be a playoff caliber team. Book and cp3 are both equally important and we suffer a lot missing either one of them. I do agree harden is the most important play on the nets and losing him hurts them a lot more than kd or kyrie.

太阳球迷：太阳没有保罗的影响比没有布克更大是存在争议的，布克可以吸引到对手的包夹，让保罗和其他队友们打得更轻松。说没有保罗影响更大并不是公认的，我们在保罗来之前就已经越大越好了，很可能就已经是季后赛级别的队伍。保罗和布克对我们来说同等重要，失去任何一个都很难受。不过，我同意你说的哈登是篮网最重要的球员，没有他的影响比没有欧文和杜兰特都要大。

[–][HOU] Hakeem OlajuwonFarWestEros 50 指標 13小時前

For reference, the Nets are 12-7 when KD plays

火箭球迷：作为参考，杜兰特出场的比赛，篮网12胜7负。

Glad he’s in the East. People underrate the carry job he was running in Houston his last few years.

独行侠球迷：很高兴他跑去了东部，人们真的低估了他过去几年在火箭Carry球队的工作强度。

[–]76ersLos_Ingobernablez 2 指標 6小時前

Carrying this Nets team in the regular season for him would be cake walk.

76人球迷：常规赛Carry如今篮网的阵容，对曾经Carry过火箭的哈登来说简直小菜一碟。

What about harden without kyrie

黄蜂球迷：我想知道哈登在没有欧文时带队的表现如何。

[–]leverage_decon 38 指標 13小時前

6-3

6胜3负

[–]Chopsticks487 31 指標 13小時前

16-3 without Durant I believe

杜兰特不在的情况下，是16胜3负。

[–]Hornetsdank-kush 45 指標 13小時前

ok give him the mvp

好吧，把MVP给他吧。

[–]NetsBigbadbuck 459 指標 12小時前

A few of these games are when basically nobody has played tho. we lost to utah, memphis without any of our big 3. Then we have two losses with just one of our big 3, either durant or irving.

篮网球迷：其中有一些比赛三巨头都没打，输给爵士、灰熊的比赛就是。还有两场输的比赛，是欧文和杜兰特独自带队。

[–]PistonsCliveSui 32 指標 9小時前*

Lol. This op is a nephew fishing for upvotes. Like those games without harden are basically the first few games of the season and like you said missing either Durant or kyrie and Durant.

Edit: Harden is 2-6 in Houston before he got to nets.

活塞球迷：哈哈哈哈，这个帖子是来骗赞的吧。没有哈登的比赛基本上是赛季初的几场比赛，就像你说的，没有杜兰特或者杜兰特和欧文都缺战的比赛。再说一句，哈登来篮网前在火箭的战绩是2胜6负。

[–]RocketsbyRockets 3 指標 6小時前

What do you mean “like the first few games of the season”

As if harden didn’t also have a adjustment period lmao

火箭球迷：你说的“赛季初的几场比赛”是什么意思？说的好像哈登也不需要什么调整期一样，笑死我了。

[–]PistonsCliveSui 1 指標 4小時前

It's the first time Durant played in years and Kyrie coming from injury. It's the first time they played together and learning the system whatsoever.Harden is plug and play and he plays with the assistant coach Mike D'Antoni before.They downplaying everything just to make harden above all. As if kyrie is not playing all nba.

活塞球迷：这是杜兰特时隔一年多重返赛场，欧文也是伤愈复出，这是他们第一次合作，学习新的战术体系。哈登是后来加入的，之前就在助教德安东尼的手下打过球。你喜欢哈登也不能用贬低其他球星的手段啊，好像欧文都在NBA打不上球了。

[–]Warriorsmaethlin 72 指標 8小時前*

Anyone who looks at their roster with any sort of objectivity would probably agree that in order of being expendable, it's probably Kyrie, Durant, then Harden for their big 3. Nets are enviably loaded this season.

勇士球迷：任何客观看待篮网本赛季阵容的人都会同意我的观点，即三巨头按照重要性排序：哈登>杜兰特>欧文。篮网这个赛季的阵容实力真让人羡慕！

Cares? The Bulls got a win in the vooch era ?

开拓者球迷：谁在乎？我只知道公牛取得了武切维奇时代的首胜！

[–]BullsKingBerry804 134 指標 12小時前

Finally showing some promise defensively, also enjoying the fact that Lauri wasn’t being so trigger happy either.

公牛球迷：我们终于在防守端看到了一些希望，同时也享受着马尔卡宁不怎么高兴的事实。

[–]MagicGamesgtd 28 指標 11小時前

All you guys had to do was play everyone over 6’5

魔术球迷：你们的目标就是让所有出场的人身高都超过2米！

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Harden is the best player on that team. Thought that the moment he got traded there and still think it now. He’s just a more valuable overall player than Durant and we’re now finally seeing what he can do with similar level talent to Durant’s Warriors.

雄鹿球迷：哈登就是篮网最强的球员，自从他刚被交易时我就是这么认为，现在也还是这么认为的。他整体上的价值比杜兰特要高，我们现在终于能看到，他在一支天赋堪比杜兰特当初勇士的队伍能做到些什么。

[–]LakersBorrum 2 指標 3小時前

Your take isn’t wrong, but for a team like the Nets, all that matters is the postseason. Period. Let’s see how the Harden > KD thing goes deep into the playoffs. History would tell us that will not hold up.

湖人球迷：你的看法没有错，但是对于篮网这样一支队伍，季后赛才是最重要的。让我们季后赛再来看看哈登大于杜兰特的观点还是否能成立，从历史上来看，这种观点是站不住的。

Same as Steph where KD better than both but both are more important in a systemic sense

勇士球迷：哈登有点类似于库里，虽然杜兰特比他们都强，但是对于球队来说，明显库里和哈登更加重要。

[–]NetsGrizzBandwagon 30 指標 13小時前

Or maybe there is more to the game than pure skill and even though KD is more skilled he isn’t better. Nobody going to convince me that KD is a better player than steph

篮网球迷：可能对于比赛而言，有比纯技巧更重要的东西，导致即使杜兰特是更强的球员，也并不是球队里最好的。没有人能说服我，杜兰特是比库里更好的球员。

[–]Nosalis2 6 指標 13小時前

KD's their best player, Harden's their most important. Same as their last year in OKC.

Defenses will gameplan around slowing down Harden 1st because of his playmaking ability.

这么说吧，杜兰特是篮网最强的球员，而哈登是对他们最重要的，就像他们当初在雷霆的最后一年一样。由于哈登的组织能力，对手制定防守计划的首要目标就是减缓哈登的比赛速度。

[–]leverage_decon 33 指標 13小時前

Harden is better than KD and I’ll die on that hill. KD is the better pure scorer but he doesn’t facilitate and control the game like Harden does.

哈登比杜兰特更棒的观点我不会改变，杜兰特是更棒的纯得分手，只是他无法做到像哈登那样帮助和控制比赛。

[–]RaptorsMuglah 22 指標 13小時前

Put KD on any of those Houston teams and I doubt they become as succesfull as they were with Harden so I might have to agree.

猛龙球迷：把杜兰特放进哈登时期的任何一支火箭，我怀疑火箭还能不能取得哈登时期的成绩，所以我可能会同意你的观点。

[–]LakersMiopTop 2 指標 3小時前

Put Harden on those Warriors teams and they aren’t as good either.

湖人球迷：把哈登放进杜兰特时期的勇士，也不会取得同样的成绩。

I’m still mad that KD didn’t choose Houston in 2016. Him and Harden under Dantonis system would have been amazing and I think would look better on KD’s career then joining the 73 win team that beat him in the playoffs that year

我现在还有点生气杜兰特2016年没有选择火箭，他加上哈登在德安东尼的体系下，将会取得不可思议的成绩。对于他自己的职业生涯来说，加盟火箭远比加盟当年击败自己的73胜勇士要光彩得多。

[–]CavaliersIrrepressible_Apple 6 指標 13小時前

I’m down for this timeline tbh

骑士球迷：老实讲，我更喜欢你这版的故事线。

[–]Thundermoneybooy 3 指標 13小時前

If KD chose Houston i think Dwight stays

雷霆球迷：如果杜兰特选择了火箭，我认为霍华德也不会走了。

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